Not really anymore. While I recognize that we can be very uncomfortable in our own bodies to the point where we think we need to have other body parts and/or feel that we are of the other sex--not across the board here and I know someone will say that many people do still recognize their sex and it is their gender identity which they want to shift.. however, I cannot help but see the issues with a lot of concepts of gender and with how we handle those of us who develop these thoughts and feelings. Someone can change their name and marker on documents, can undergo surgeries, can be on HRT, but none of this will make someone male/female on a literal sense. While there seems to be much less "passing" desire now among some trans IDing people, it is still present enough and the issues of IDing as these extra genders makes things more complicated and all of this seems to divert away from what may be going on for someone internally.

Is someone who is being read as female but is biologically male going to be treated female in situations? Yes. But this still does not make one female. Vice versa with being biologically female but being perceived as male.

People should be able to wear and act how they feel most comfortable. However, rather than trying to alter our bodies to "match our mind" we should be trying to find ways to help the mind be comfortable with the body.

Rather than creating more genders we ought to try to get rid of it as a concept. Unfortunately, a lot of the basis of GID and of trying to be perceived as one way or the other is based on stereotypes.

I have recognized that sex is important but it also doesn't need to hold us back on being us.

My biggest concern is kids and young people but adults too can end up framing their thoughts in feelings within the trans narrative and self-diagnose and start IDing as trans. I did and most people I think have--it is less of a "let me go to the therapist go figure out what these feelings mean" and more often "ive already expressed that I think this is what is going on" but instead of just taking that into consideration as maybe a GP would if you've looked up symptoms on WEBMD and self-diagnoses yourself with something--it seems that this is just taken as a fact and therapy becomes less about helping you to deal with your discomforts and feelings and more about getting you through to "the next step".

I don't know. I guess for me, I am seeing all these issues with how prevalent this is all becoming and I am recognizing more and more that just "validating" what someone says is not always the most helpful thing to them nor to trying to abolish a lot of the stereotypes and expectations placed on men and women.

I guess I have to ask for those who still believe in gender: what exactly makes one a man or a woman? Or nonbinary or some other gender? How can you define these things with the way current gender ideology is headed. It becomes more difficult to do so and I feel as though we are moving into a point where its either anyone can be anything if they "feel" they're that and/or these definitions are becoming muddled with stereotypes that don't actually help men or women to break from said stereotypes at all.

A woman to me is an adult human with a female body. A girl to me is a human younger than an adult (teen, tween, kid) with a female body.

When talking of men vs. women the differences are all in relation to sex.

There may be men who act, dress, present more "femininely" and we associate that more with femaleness but there's nothing that someone with a male body could do to have me seriously see them as a woman. They're simply not. Even if you go ahead with hormones and surgeries, you're altering a male body not creating a female one.

I personally just wish everyone would learn to accept their sex, I could care less about how they genuinely want to present but I think it's scary that we are in a point where a lot of people do not want sex being used as a marker for anything anymore. It's a physical reality and a lot of people want to ignore it to pursue a deluded concept of self acceptance.

I hope this may encourage more people to look into this with a serious health eye as opposed to just trying to appease certain groups. Not too happy with our upcoming leadership in the US but the only thing that may be positive is push backs on allowing kids to be put on these things.

Do not use blockers or hormones please. Let them develop as supposed to. It may be hard for them to understand right now but it's really not a good idea to do anything medical for transitioning when you're still growing like that. Let them make that choice as an adult. I got testosterone at 14 and a mastectomy at 16 and I really wish that I had not been allowed to. My parents were fed the narrative that I'd kill myself if they didn't let me.

That's insane lol. The language they use to describe this subreddit goes to show they've never once gave thought or read anything seriously from anyone here. I am very glad you have screenshotted this and posted it because I've had way too many people try and argue that the trans community IS NOT anti-detrans and yet clearly if an entire sub focused on transition is going to say THAT and ban you for existing and making a valid point, there's some serious issues. This is truly why detransitioning needs to be more known about, our experiences are valid too.

I agree with your outlook. I also do not believe the majority of people supporting trans rights are trying to be malicious, they have been convinced and the vast majority of people have been fed the idea that detransitioners dont really exist or are so rare that it is worth the risk of transing kids.. i was also 14 when i started T and feel similarly that warning signs were ignored and many things were left unquestioned just to push forward this checklist of "becoming myself" it is really very warped

Seriously. Cannot believe these people. Don't they realize that many of us transitioned as KIDS? Oh wait they don't care bc they clearly think kids can consent to these things and therefore you should be held as the one solely responsible for these mistakes because obviously children have fully developed brains right?

It's because being trans has been accepted as being one's "authentic self" even though they don't realize how illogical that seems. I always make this analogy but we don't sit here and affirm the perception that someone with anorexia has of their own body and run with that delusion to make them feel more comfortable -- people don't realize that feeding into the delusion doesn't help the root of the problems. I guess I cannot speak for everyone but for me becoming trans was the complete opposite of authentic, I was running away from myself because I hated myself lol.

I just had a huge vent to my therapist last night that was somewhat related. I basically feel like the trans way of thinking leads to the creation of more boxes with more stereotypes and expectations. Whereas I feel like we should only have male and female as the determining factor- anything else relating to how you present yourself is up to you. I was telling her how I wish that there was a requirement to have to ask very important but uncomfortable questions to people who are questioning gender.. (i.e. How do you define a man? A woman? What is it about your male/female anatomy that makes you feel so uncomfortable? Etc.) I just feel like it needs to be super individual focused to help people get to the real roots of their self hate and/or body dysmoprhic feelings.

I wish that people would see it as progress to drop all these dumb labels.. and just be themselves. Your sex is your sex is your sex. It doesn't have to determine your personality or interests. But it is a part of you, it is your vehicle for experiencing this life time. I think we ought to work to help people in accepting and learning to be comfortable in their own skin than just telling them what they want to hear in the moment.

I think a big trap that I recognize now as a detrans person is the idea that you "feel" what gender you are. Gender in reality doesn't exist yet our bodies, our sex does. Idk, I found it helpful to reject gender entirely first and then trying to understand my own body.. working through the discomforts ( try to remove the term dysphoria when you talk or think about these things, thing about what specifically you are feeling) slowly and gradually will help you come to accept yourself for who you are. Unfortunately, when you have given yourself to these concepts it seems impossible to get out of it but you can. Just baby steps at a time.