It's... sad. It's a hard situation, and the people who are self proclaimed allies in those comments really think they're helping ths kid by saying things like "you are a man! We need more good men like you in our world!" Sadly, they aren't. The kid is going through what I went through, what many of us went through. The epiphany of never being biologically what you WANT is a first big step, and one of the hardest ones in the path to start being okay just being who and what you are. But this kid, with those comments in her head, might just get dragged into taking T anyway.

Ah yes, steel-manning your argument by bringing up the Holocaust and soft-calling every detrans person on here with a distaste for the trans ideology a Nazi is definitely the way to bring people on your side. If this is your idea of making peace through 'hate is not the answer' talk, then I shudder to think what your hateful side sounds like.
I think Hedera_Thorn said it quite well, but I also just wanted to let you know that your one example, the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft, you misconstrued what their research and advocacy was about. The sad fact is that misconstruing gay, lesbian and even cross-dressing (which today is under the nonbinary umbrella) to boost trans ideology is exactly why so many lgb's like myself are leaving the tq+ behind.

Yes, cross sex hormones also known as castration therapy in the surgical and drug sense were invented around the time of WW2. And they were used on GAY people to try to determine whether or not being gay was biological or not, to see if 'gayness' could be cured. In the institute, they did this by literally sewing/transplanting a hetero man's testicles onto a gay man and then injected it with extra testosterone and progesterone to see if he would become heterosexual. Surprise surprise, the testicles went into necrosis, and the man had to be re-castrated and wasn't any less gay for his pains.

They did however do other surgical procedures, facial feminization surgery and facial masculinization surgery, both very early and risky versions of it. They also used x-ray machines for laser hair removal, though that caused severe burns on the patients and they regretted using those methods.

All that being said, and there's more I found out about this prized institute of yours by just doing some research, Hedera_thorn said it best. Get off your soap box. I hope that you and your husband eventually feel okay with being lesbians with extra steps, but if not, that's fine too. It's your life.

5 basic Themes of fascism: authoritarianism, nationalism (can be put into smaller tribal societies), hierarchy, elitism, and militarism.

• The trans pride activists shout down everyone who talks poorly about them and have taken control of every other diversity hr rep in department stores, the school system and even our airplane pilots.
• the activists reeeally advocate and love their religious-lite doctrine and attack anyone who leaves it even on public news and media
• there is literally a social hierarchy, to be a "black trans woman" seems to be the top tier of most oppressed awards.
• they believe they are morally and "emotionally" superior to everyone else for numerous reasons.
• the activists literally militarize and get together for not-so-peaceful protests and marches. They even bring their friends and families into the mix, the coercion of trans-allies to add more bodies to make the protests look like there's real ground to stand on.

Hmm... wonder what op thinks

To be fair to the post though and these (trans)women, the big unspoken difference in the community is that a lot of these people like Blaire (who I've had conversations with in real life during one of her shows) are transsexual. A lot of the older youtubers who went stealth and now refuse to post about even their original transitions, were transgender and many of those were female taking testosterone. Most of the transsexuals like Blaire (MtF) and Buck Angel (FtM) never detransition because they were what trans used to be before the DSM-5 changed the meaning and made 'transgender' a generalized term of expression and adjectives.

Especially since here on reddit you have your username Syd and unfortunately you cant really change it. I wish i could change mine i never did and its stuck like this.

But i have the same experience, im a biological woman, age 22, and for about 5-6 years i was genderfluid-pansexual with he/him pronouns (tho everyone in highschool kept calling me they/them?) And my therapist in 2018 almost forced my parents to sign me up for medical transition. Only getting away from that therapist and graduating from highschool got me back on the right path. I had to literally deprogram myself away from the "loving and supportive" gender community who many of which online won't tolerate your self realization. It takes time, and I still get called by my name's initials/nickname Dj more often than Dayna (J- middle name). But it's okay. Things take time to settle.

Yeah, better that you stopped arguing. Idk maybe this op doesn't live in America, where there is free speech, and people are allowed to say their opinions especially on morally questionable topics. I can't think of a time where someones one and only argument to everyone else replying to the post is JUST "calling trans ideology out must be fascist, because everything I don't like is fascist." Really proves op never really mentally left the cult. I'm a bisexual woman (who's only dated women and women with neo-pronouns) who went through a lot to get to as well as I'm doing today, as have all of us. Hope this brainwashed op didn't get you too down.

Sure, ones like Jessie gender are absolutely not. I suppose it's like picking needles out of haystacks even from the old school group to find the ones who actually were. But yes, they are much more firmly set in their ways and definitely don't (socially) detransition, at least not like we've seen since my time in highschool and I graduated hs in 2018. But yes youre right, about half of them.

I wasn't going to comment but- you're simply wrong. Every single study conducted in the last 20 years, during the time that the tq+ of the lgb community has gained traction, has proven that quality of life does NOT improve after transition. This includes full medical, after every possible surgery known to the plastic surgeons they call qualified gender scientists. I believe the statistics are that 80-95% of kids grow out of the 'searching' phase if allowed to move on and not pushed to transition by peers and "supportive" adults like the teachers who transition these kids without telling the parents. And yes, that does happen, it was happening to ME in highschool. Yes, the teachers and guidance office DO say "do you want a dead ____ or alive ____".

And - the suicide rate upwards of 42% in the community, that STAYS about 40% even after social and medical transition, is from depression and other mental illness, Not bigatry from family or people like us in the detrans/desist community.

I haven't yet shared my full story on here for a variety of reasons, but yes I can absolutely relate. You're not alone, certainly tomboys born in the 90's-early 2000's have gone through various similar experiences. I myself had exclusively male friends since I was 3, save for a few close family members who happened to be girls around my age. I was bullied severely throughout all of my schooling before college, and I went to a liberal performing arts highschool. The kind you have to audition to, to be accepted.

I was directly and heavily influenced by the art majors then, when I already hated my body and how small I was (and am, I stopped growing at just over 5 ft). I got swayed very quickly into wearing binders at school, the whole 8 hours a day 5 days a week. Very unhealthy. I knew i liked women and men, but I found myself going by "genderfluid pansexual" around my peers. Why? Probably to make them like me more. I cut my hair off to a pixie, and I've always been quite androgynous with pcos and higher than normal Testosterone. People started calling me they/he without me asking, and my therapist at the time between junior and senior year trird to force my parents to let me take the hormones. She said the "dead daughter or alive son" line, the whole shabang. It took a number of years of me getting rid of that therapist that tried to force cps to take me away from my parents in a 72 hour mental hospital visit, and slowly becoming okay with just being a very masculine bisexual woman.

I still dont like my body, I hate my height, feeling small and weak. Most people on the street think I'm barely 16 when I'm 23. But... that's life. So, sorry for MY rant lol, thats not even a summary of my story, but the point is that we're here for you. There are people who understand and care.

I'm very lucky I desisted when I did, though I'd already done an amount of damage to my breasts by wearing proper binders at school every day, the whole 8-10 hour school days, 5 days a week. I had a therapist for almost just over a year who DID say that line to my parents. In NY in 2017 therapists were being told to go HARD on the trans teen "support", and my therapist did everything she could to get me to agree to testosterone, or to admit I'd be happier as a man so she could put it through to the state for pills.

That clinic threatened my parents, she sent me to the psych ward for a false alarm and told them to keep me there for 6 weeks (which would have made me have to redo my entire senior year b/c I would have missed finals, and I had suicidal thoughts b/c of bullying IN that school). Cps had a long talk with me to try to get me to say in recorded evidence that my parents were bad guardians and were discriminating me for being a "trans teen", that they only cared about my school work and not my mental health when it was the opposite. Safe to say, my parents managed to talk them into letting me go so I could graduate on time. If I'd been kept there and taken away from my family b/c of lgbt stuff, I truly wouldn't be here right now.