Nah, not at all actually. Gendercritcal theory has been around for long before the label "terf" - gender critical theory is a part of radical feminist theory, I think there are books dating back to the 80's or 90's capturing the gist of GC pretty well if not perfectly - too bad you didn't make this comment in a GC sister sub or GC itself - plenty of people there may be able to explain the history way better than I am able to. That being said - the term gender critical is way older than terf ever was.

Second of all - I assure you 4chan and radical feminism (and implicitly, GC) are totally parallel lol. We're not alt right trolls, most of our members are center left if not even actually left wing (saw plenty of Marxists/marxist-leninists/generally socialist members. I'm one myself, far on the left, though I haven't quite read enough theory to actually pick an "ideology" yet). To be all that honest with you - I doubt that conservatives/right wing people are even there - radical feminism and right wing politics are extremely incompatible - let's not mention that right wing governments are notorious for taking away women's rights and bodily autonomy - so I'm more than certain the sub is pretty left leaning. So again, pretty parallel to the general population of 4chan.

And incels are deemed bad because they are violent towards women, encourage rape (and pedophilia, from what I've seen - that whole "in their prime" shtick) and have also carried terrorist attacks and killed women. We haven't killed anybody, we don't encourage violence, we don't encourage murder, we don't encourage rape - on the contrary, we are against all of these. I may actually try to mention that way more violence is directed against us than otherwise, but I will not bother you with that discussion. I'm already intruding on a space I'm not supposed to be in. If you do actually want to carry on with the discussion - just say the word.

The whole "we're man hating lesbians" is sort of a tired one.

Many GC members are straight women. The "man hating lesbian" stereotype is incredibly mysoginystic and lesbophobic and I am more than certain any GC member would reject that stereotype and call it out for what it is.

But people have dysphoria and we're mad about that...uh, okay?

Umm... No, we're not mad that people have dysphoria. We may doubt the sources of dysphoria and how it should be approached, perhaps. But our issues lie elsewhere, not on the dysphoria part. That being said I am heavily derailing here and it is not the place to discuss GC points on a detrans sub. You can visit our sub if you feel up to it (don't expect 4chan-style vitriol because we're not like that. If you want a more, let's say, balanced approach and maybe less dysphoria-inducing you can check a debate sub, something like gc debates TQ? Haven't visited it in a while, and it may be less in-your-face, so to speak).

I talked about it in my women and gender studies course.

From what you're saying I'm more than certain it wasn't a balanced discussion. The only way to actually know what our opinions are is to check the sub (or read the theory, but that is even more difficult) - I don't want to force GC ideas on the detrans sub, and I don't want to force them on you either. If you want to know, go right ahead - but if you don't, then please don't speak about us or our positions, as you have no way of knowing them, not from that course - and not from the detrans sub, and not from trans spaces.

Maybe there does need to be more barriers for trans people to get hormones especially as kids,

Yeah everyone can agree on that.

Or maybe you're actually wrong about what a "terf" is?

First of all, terf is a slur. (rather, a pejorative, to be frank)

Second of all - yes there are - if by "terf" you mean gender critical (with varying degrees, we're not a monolith that believes the same thing - and no, we don't actually hate trans people). Most of the GC participants here are detrans themselves.

Those that aren't detrans usually don't participate - just lurk, read the stories etc (we do have detrans people in our own sub, so reading these posts is just a way to understand and sympathise with our own members that may be in this situation).

That being said, I assure you that the gc members that are not detrans only LURK this sub - we know the importance of so-to-call-them "safe" spaces and we try to respect it.

Tldr - the members of detrans are either non-gc detrans (I reckon the vast majority) or GC detrans - it's a matter of opinion - but still detrans. I repeat, gc members that aren't detrans are HEAVILY discouraged from participating in this sub by our own members and by the members of the detrans sub. I made this comment just to clarify - I am a gc lurker, not detrans myself - I read the posts and comments but avoid replying (with this comment as an exception).

Because there's no reason to not 100% support LGB as 100% support is just letting them date whoever they want and marry whoever they want. If the bar is set that low and yet you STILL can't achieve that then they're in full rights to cut you out of their life

TERFs are also pretty violent for the lost part, trapping trans people in bathrooms

Jesus christ we find that just as appalling as you do. We don't advocate for violence!

I think dysphoria isn’t real or wanna succumb to some radical alt-right group or hop on 4chan or reddit.

The detrans sub is unrelated to GC. There may be some GC members that are also detrans, but they're separate subs and separate issues. Some non-detrans GC members may lurk, yes, but most of the time they do not comment (I overstepped a boundary by participating, but I just feel the need to clarify some things a little bit).

Both the detrans sub and GC have NOTHING to do with "alt right". Detrans is just that - a sub for detransitioners and GC is a radical feminist sub. These are separate subs that have nothing to do with each other, but NONE of them are alt right subs!

I thought this forum was for people to ask about their voices, faces, fat redistribution, reproductive systems, etc.

That's what the detrans sub is for - most if not all of the posts here are just about that. The people posting are detransitioners, and 99% of people commenting are detransitioners (the 1% is what I'm doing right now - infringing on a space I shouldn't be in - but as what you'd call a ""terf"" (I do not use the label terf, I'm GC) I also wanted to reassure you that members of the GC sub don't participate in the detrans sub unless said member is also detrans)

Not to push a cuckservative agenda.

GC is not Conservative. Conservatism and radical feminism are incompatible. GC is radical feminist.

Detrans is NOT a Conservative sub either. Its a detransitioner sub.

There’s actually a girl who attempted suicide on here who thanked this forum for showing her she’d never be happy if she transitioned (still uses she/her pronouns) and it was concerning because maybe they WOULD be happy if they transitioned but forums like this say it’s impossible

As with any community, there are disagreements between individuals. There are a lot of people in the detrans sub that believe that transition IS a valid choice, but it just wasn't for them (from what I observed it seems like a majority opinion. Haven't lurked enough to figure that one out though). There are also people who may disagree, because people are different and have different opinions. But the detrans sub doesn't discourage transition in general, it's a space for detransitioners and that's it.

so I feel more at ease here but don’t appreciate terf rhetoric, incels, etc.

GC is unrelated to detrans - non-detrans members, whether GC or not, are discouraged from participating in the detrans sub. GC members that are not detrans are discouraged from participating in the detrans sub (by both r detrans and r GC). And please don't lump incels with radical feminists - we hate them as much as you do if not even more than you do.

I have never met a TERF with a boyfriend or one that wasn't gay.

And I have met plenty that are straight. Your personal experiences don't equate to undeniable reality - it was just a string of coincidences.

recoil at the thought of a penis

So.... Female homosexuality?

If TERFs are so tired of the whole "we are man hating lesbians" then why keep re-encoforcing it?

We're not reinforcing anything, you just think that a few people that you met are the poster people for GC. Are you even sure they're gendercritcal, or just transphobic but not even radical feminists?

I think the whole agenda behind it is that they see trans guys as women who opted out of their oppression

On the contrary, we say that you can't opt out of sex based oppression. Oppression against women is sex based, not gender based (fgm, abortion abolition, etc.)

and trans women as men who are blind for not seeing their privilege and why would they ever wanna give up their male privilege for a life like this

Umm no. Just no. Because we don't even believe that they give up their male privilege after transition.

I willhave you know that most TERFs can't see the oter side

I'll have you know that most GC members were Liberal feminist and pro-trans before changing sides - what we call "peak trans". So we do know the points you guys make, we literally believed them for a good part of our lives. And some even know what transition is like - before they desisted.

asked not to speak on your emotions,

Well those are gender stereotypes - you know, the ones we're actually against? You mostly hear talk of female "gender stereotypes" as it's a women oriented sub, but we're against any gender stereotype regardless.

hating cis women who wear heels, cis women who wear makeup, comparing pointing on mascara to the horrors of actual American slavery (lol) and all that.

What lol? I swear to god, in the aeons that I have participated in GC and all sister subs I never heard any of that lol. I don't even think I read the words "mascara" and "American slavery" in the same phrase until now.

Why be so anti therapy and anti big pharm when most TERFs need therapy and to be medicated?

Jesus fuck you're mad. You're absolutely mad. So anyone who disagrees with you needs to be medicated? Are you absolutely out of your mind? And where the hell did you get the idea that GC is anti therapy? Literally no one is, I don't know who's been shovelling this down your throat but god damn this is one of the most insane things I've heard. At MOST we say that therapists are too quick to call shots for hormones (which is basically what you've said in the second comment) I will repeat myself - in the aeons that I have participated in GC subs I have NEVER heard any of these things you mention

With that being said I will stop addressing any of your obviously misinformed comments. I swear, are you just trolling right now? It's not the place to discuss GC points on a detrans sub so just stop let's stop. No more talk about "terf points" from your part, so I won't have to point out that we don't say that at all

In trans men the pre-transition voice might never return, and if hormone blockers are used they can cause sterility, weak bones and another bunch of health issues. There are health problems regarding transition and you can't ignore that in good faith

Straight dudes seem to be the be all and end of the bane of the exisistence of a TERF

Here with the man hating label again? No, we're against patriarchal stereotypes and against violence targeted towards women (all sorts, domestic, sexual, just plain assault, murder etc), against the lack of bodily autonomy etc etc. because we're feminists and this is what feminism is about - trans people aren't the only thing discussed, once again it's a radical feminist space and we have discussions about issues pertaining to radical feminism.

Discussing issues created by a patriarchal society is not anti man or man hating (that's just antifeminist rhetoric in general at this point), first of all.

And second of all when criticising the behaviours of men **(in general, as a monolith=patriarchy, roughly speaking),* we don't really make the distinction between straight men, bi men or gay men - because we don't really think that being gay means that you're suddenly not able to be a mysoginist. The "cishet white man" is not our boogeyman, when we talk about issues created by men we don't make the distinction - because gay men are also capable of being mysoginist. Just as a sidenote.

Why would you "need" more effort? In my experience, anyone who doesn't accept it at face value is absolutely unsalvageable, and you're not responsible for their opinion and in no way are you obligated to perform any sort of emotional labour for a seemingly bigoted family. If they don't accept you, cut them out. If they're toxic, cut them out. It's simple and effective

They can get surgery and hormones when they're adults, it's not the end of the world to just wait a little bit before you make such a big decision.

Obviously there are health risks in taking any medication

False dichotomy, most medications have extremely rare side effects, most of which are not deadly nor body altering (and most are allergic reactions) - cross sex hormones are not like that, the "side effects" are much more prevalent. And you really can't wait for most medication as it might be a matter of life and death (e.g hypertension) and the over the counter ones you can probably live without (e.g. ibuprofen, it's a pain to not have it but it's not necessary) and cross sex hormones are not like that - it's much better to wait a little longer to be certain this is a good decision for you than to go headfirst and regret it later, it's just the most basic of common sense. And considering that the rate of teens seeking transition has increased 1500% of not even more in some countries, you'll see more detransitioners soon.