I don't understand how activists are allowed to shriek this "you are killing people" line with no evidence.

In fairness to the trans community, they believe there is evidence because organizations like the APA and WPATH (and many others) have repeated similar claims about how denying affirmation treatment (read: puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones) to gender incongruent youth will lead to suicide. I can provide links if you want.

However, the studies these claims are based on have been shown to be extremely problematic, lacking in scientific rigor, and otherwise debunked outside of ideologically driven circles.

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The NHS, basing their conclusions on The British Cass Review, which at this moment is the most comprehensive analysis of all the available data we have collected worldwide on this topic, has determined that there's no conclusive evidence that the risk of suicide increases when a child is not affirmed and that best practices includes a thorough investigation of all causes and co-morbidities prior to affirmation.

And it's even more frustrating because the affirmation model of treating gender dysphoria, which basically means tells anyone who is even questioning in the slightest that transitioning will save their life and fix all their problems, began in America and spread to Europe over a period of about a decade.

But Europe has now been wise enough to look at this model of treating mental illness and begin radically questioning whether it's the right decision to affirm it, especially in the case of children. And unfortunately for Americans, Europe at this point has almost universally rejected the affirmation model, recognizing that without investigating all the possible causes of dysphoria and co-morbidities that any given patient might have, you can't possibly affirm their beliefs about themselves. So the official stance now in Europe is called the "Watchful Waiting" method, which basically means a clinical approach including a lot of skepticism and investigation instead of instant affirmation without a second thought.

And I know a lot of people reading this are going to say that's transphobic, but that's only because we've defined transphobia in North America as anything that isn't the complete affirmation of a gender questioning person, which is of course insane.

That's not a reflection of you but them. I remember when I first left religion as a teenager, I received a very similar response.

The only way that hardcore Christians could cope with the fact that I had truly, truly believed and worshipped wholeheartedly and read the Bible, and prayed every day and asked Jesus into my heart and completely believed it with all my heart and soul was to deny all of it.

According to them, I had never truly believed. I had never truly asked Jesus into my heart. I had never truly walked by faith. I had never truly given my whole heart to God, because if I had, I would have never left the flock.

That's what these people needed to believe to cope with the fact that someone had left their religion.

That's why seeing this same pattern in the trans community as an adult and experiencing it once again has been so amusing to me. It's literally no different.

I've saved all of these detransition testimonies to the Florida school board videos to my hard drive in the extremely likely event that TRAs successfully pressure social media sites like YouTube to take them down. It's unbelievable how much power such a supposedly oppressed group of people have.

These types are also quick to say we "did this to ourselves"

This is the part that really gets me though. What the hell does it mean that we, "Did this to ourselves?" Is that supposed to be some cop-out or something?

You're damn right we made this decision to transition, because of all the lies, false promises, and disinformation your community gave us.

How is that an argument? We were literally told that transitioning would save our lives, and then when it made everything worse suddenly it's our fault.

I read the link you provided and honestly it was very upsetting. It's actually true that most children who start social transition from an early age and puberty blockers do continue with the transition process. In fact, the number is shockingly high, I believe the last study I looked at said 97%.

But it's equally true that the vast majority of children who are not affirmed or put on puberty blockers will desist by the end of adolescence. This was the conclusion of the British Cass Review, which systematically reviewed all the available research and data that we have on this subject worldwide.

Dr. Hillary Cass' conclusion was that gender affirmation and especially the use of puberty blockers IS NOT a neutral act. The science shows that by affirming, you are actually pushing a child to transition, where if you had not affirmed, the vast majority of kids would have resolved their gender dysphoria by adulthood.

This is the crucial piece of information that subs like the one you shared leave out. And when they use some bullshit statistic like only 0.8% of people detransition, I think they know that the number is way higher.

I think what you're saying is a bit unfair. I've been following this sub now for months and I've never seen a single person blame trans people for their mistakes or regrets.

What they are blaming is an ideology which is driven by emotion, panic, greed, profit, and social contagion, which coerces people, including young children, into believing that all of their psychological and mental suffering can be solved by changing genders. This is of course, ridiculous, and in the vast majority of cases, it will not be true. The NHS has recently released a document which proves this, as most children experiencing gender incongruence as teens or pre-teens will grow out of it by adolescence. That's what the science shows.

So you're taking the most vulnerable population on Earth, which is young children who often have serious psychological health issues, often stemming from childhood abuse and trauma, and various co-morbidities which have not even been diagnosed, much yet treated, and you're telling them that trans will save them.

Every person in this sub has every right to be outraged by the audacity of that.

That doesn't mean that trans people do not exist, but their ideology, and their activism, is causing extreme harm to innocent and vulnerable people that deserve better. The same cannot be said in reverse.

It's not like good therapy is available for the regular schmegular Jane Doe.

This sentence really hit me to my core.

I struggled with mental illness from even before I was a teenager. I was dealing with suicidal ideation at the age of 12. I then spent the next 20 years going through what I like to christen, "The Therapy Windmill". In which I spent 2 decades trying out countless different therapists that all helped me like, almost none at all.

And of course, I think talk therapy is complete bullshit, because trauma happens at a much deeper level and is stored deeply in the body or a subconscious part of the brain. So you can talk with someone for hours, days, months, years until you're blue in the face but if you're not reaching that trauma, you might as well be throwing your money into a bonfire.

And sadly, it wasn't until I finally was able to embark on a decent career path and be able to pay for whatever therapist I wanted, regardless of insurance or anything else, that I finally started finding therapists, for the first time in my life, that are actually fucking helping me.

You are completely right. The system we have is fucked and most therapists, the vast majority, are not qualified to help anyone except the most mildest cases of seasonal depression or my dog died and whatever.

Why is a weirdo, anti feminist, men’s rights activist like you posting here anyway?

I didn't realize you had to be of a particular political or ideological persuasion in order to be detrans. In fact, given all of the groupthink, purity tests and ideological lockstep of the community that causes so many innocent people to make decisions they regret, I'll take your surprise and frustration with my unorthodox views as a compliment.

I'm very sympathetic to the argument that second wave Feminism and related social movements did a lot of great work attempting to break down harmful gender stereotypes and rearrange social expectations around "masculine" and "feminine" behavior. In other words, it seemed like we were moving in the right direction for several decades in realizing that there are feminine men and masculine women and that a there's no right or wrong way to express your gender identity.

And then somehow within the past decade we have regressed beyond anything humanly imaginable to a definition of gender identity that's so biologically essentialist it would have made people from the Dark Ages cringe.