Because we think of things abstractly, the same goes for gender. It's very creative to think gender is just a social construct, and we can identify as a different one if we feel like it. I'm also autistic so I thought of this whole thing even more abstractly and also believed I was the exception and was true trans and believed the nb and some trans people were the tenders. Too bad none of this is actually real, and I got caught in a social contagion. I still, however, believe men can look however we want, and i don't have to meet every social exception. I've been asked by lgbtqia people if I am a different gender because I don't look stariotypical, but it's really this social contagion that's confusing them. Even if I happened to be intersex I would hope I didn't confuse people too much and look one way or another because rn in the political climate, it sucks to look androgynous and not believe the ideology and have to tell them that if they ask pronouns, it seems it triggers them.

It's hard to really look at any of it as real. I personally feel it's just a mental illness, but others may believe it exists as its own group of people and anyone who passes are actually trans. I passed, had gender disphoria and truly believed I was a true trans realizing now, men can get upto the point I was it's probably not a thing exspeshally If you can just as easily say your not trans anymore and everyone just goes with that, its nothing like being ex gay or anything its just a medical invention and social intervention you stop. It's your truth but not the truth. I believe crossdressing and taking hrt to get breasts are something a man can do, same with surgeries and be happy, does that mean it's real, yea but dose it mean they became a new gender or different one probably not. It's your body your choice.

It's too hard for many of them to see our pov even if we have their pov as trans people, yet they think transition is forever and can never stop, and it's flawless but yet we prove it's not, so they assume its caused by the stigma. Its really not, I played a woman and changed all my documents. people couldn't tell, so how were they supposed to discriminate against me if they couldn't tell I was a guy claiming womanhood. It was actually my interlized homophobia and feeling guilty about pretending to be a woman that snapped me out of it. It caught up to me, and you can't out run Yourself. I'm human. I have many parts to myself, just like most people, no need for special language or lables for it and I can't change gender it wasn't possible but realizing I have a lot to me in terms of expression is what I learned when I was pretending to be a woman.

Trans people have this option too, but to them, it's bigoted and feels boxed in to be more normal but yourself, to them they need the hrt and surgeries to exsape the body, to transcend themselves to a different gender. They feel this is the Cure and the way to be more but yet Themselves without this they would be just be yet another normal male or female and subject to stariotypes when feminists were trying to fix this, they rather call them terfs and evil and us confused trans people when their only Projecting. There's more fedoom outside of trans spaces anyways they will probably never get this because they never listen and cut you out of their life in a pin drop.

Why don't we come up with a compromise, like both of you make great points. However, you don't understand that men and women are the same thing as male and female. Most biologists use them interwoven, so it doesn't make sense to call a male a woman. I basically refer to them as men who are on estrogen or women on testosterone because thats what it is, and it doesn't have hate. The people in the small group can use the language you're saying because it's part of your beliefs, and that should be respected, not forced on people to believe themselves. If you believe anyone who calls themselves a woman is one or someone who passes is one good for you. Believe it or not the united states respects all beliefs realious or otherwise like that one because we are filled with diversity and that's a good thing because if so many different people can work together why can't the world?

I think the other person doesn't realize we all gave information consent and knew what the pills would do. I don't think people should sue in most cases unless they were on other drugs, having other mental health struggles, or were children at that time of transition. It would be fine if they did, but it also depends on how young, what mental health issue and how severe and what drug(s) and how much. Also why should this person stop what others do with their bodies it's honestly none of their business and unhealthy behavior because what if they have a natural hormonal imbalance or crossdress and don't identify as it or take hormones. What if they like crossdressing and taking hormones and don't use the trans lable or do It's also not nice to assume, and the only thing that separates detrans form trans is lables because we all had hormonal imbalances and that's what connects us we either like it or don't.

Personally i dislike most cosmetic surgerys i don't think they should be done at all and that's only because they take up doctors time and the only ones that benefits people are getting excess skin removal or something that would help their health, like gun shot victims, burn victims, people who have tumors and it shouldn't be for healthy individuals for their egos Also cosmetic surgery is rooted in racism and was invented for Jewish people to exsape being harmed in world War 2. I do however think it was useful at that time in history for them for safety but now it's just seen as vain and useful also you can pass without cosmetic surgerys because just voice training, padding and hrt can get a lot to pass.

I think the sub is helpful if you skip the ones complaining only on trans ideology well, and the ones complaining about facial hair or breast tissue, and than blaming trans for that when theres no one to blame but yourself for that i simply stopped believing because I like crossdressing, and I don't think having hormonal disorders make you trans or if you pass as the other sex. What makes someone trans is if they lable themselves it, I don't believe in non biological lables as it's not being honest about biological reality quite a few say their women but completely male but that makes no sense because we have a different in men and women outside of looks. That's the ideology, and it's something that I don't think is reasonable to say. Lady boys of Thailand can admit their men, why can't American trans do the same or held to the same standard.

What matters is their happy and others who want to interfere with that are just unhappy themselves and controlling and it doesn't help to do any of that, I tried and it's better to leave to group alone and let people figure it out themselves. It's not a cult it's more of an ideology that anyone can op in or out of. If it benefits them at that time, most detrans people benefit little from it if anything. Also trans people should do their own research on negative side effects from hormones, and if they get it, they can always quit and still use the lables. I've heard of ones doing different things for desired effects but no health problems, so there's work arounds.

I believe we can change genders in games and assign genders to charters in video games. Like five nights at Freddy's, we did that and made mangle yes gender. Do I apply it to humans? Not anymore. That is real life. In real life, people aren't able to change genders except get cosmetic surgerys and pills to Mimic looking like the other gender.

Search gynecomastia surgery they really throw that in our faces as men, thing is 60% of men have some bit of breast tissue, we aren't supposed to be completely flat anyways, and after quiting it the breast bud should shrink back to almost normal for a man. It can also be fat or muscle mixed in on your chest the only real test to see how much breast tissue you have is hold your arms up even males on estrogen 90% of the time wouldn't grow woman sized breasts, male breast tissue is more dense and has less components than that of female breasts. I think gynecomastia surgery is over hyped for 90% of men that just have puffy nipples or a slight shape to the chest, it's redundant and the breast tissue in most cases is harmless but once again big farma wants your money and wants to make men insecure about their chests. I highly doubt you have more than slight gynecomastia.

There's no such thing as your face changing to be more manly as an adult unless you mean facial hair. you will age like anyone else and get gray and wrinkly. Also, the flitter changed, like nothing, you look the same. Keep plucking your eyebrows and shave everyday, you dont need hormones for that and take care of your skin.If you want less muscle, don't work out or eat as much if that's what you think is feminine.

Do it for you and not no man. Do it because you can enjoy your natural body, Do it if you can.

I'm 1 year off almost, and I was on t blockers and estrogen. The gynecomastia slowly goes away, and yours already looks basically gone. I was on them when I was 18 and almost on them as long as you, I'm almost 21 now. Funny thing is they told me last time I visited them that I was stage 3.5 out of 5 in breast development and they had told me most trans women can only get like up to that or maybe 4 but when I had shown my friend who's a girl my chest before I got off she told me it had looked like a boys chest. I had been told it looked like gynecomastia, and honestly, it sucked because I had paid a lot of money. I mean, insurance paid a lot of money for these pills to give me female like breasts, i wanted a b, maybe a c. They didn't, and I just got more body fat, and I was lazy more. I honestly felt like a hairless 40 year old man with Ed and gynecomastia, which gave me more body discomfort. I finally feel like a healthy, young, vibrant man for one of the first times in my life now after getting a proper diet and working out and recovering from various body disorders. I think it's the best decision, and I hope you always choose your health, happiness, and reality and stay out of women's spaces. Also, not to mention you can always be feminine if you wanted to again, for me it was a good decision, it's whatever you want. Good luck with everything.