Most of the “third genders” they describe are usually what we would call gay men in modernity anyway, it’s all a consequence of sexism. Males who are to take the role of a woman in places where women are not allowed to be, or gay men deemed not-man-enough and relegated to an inbetween. It’s very telling to me that it’s near universally about degrading men and I, off the top of my head, cannot think of any historical third gender that elevated women.

It feels disingenuous, if they have existed for thousands of years, and trans people are always just on the verge of killing themselves, and there were no hormones and surgeries, then what? They just committed suicide? How do we know they were transgender then? And the evidence they cite is stereotypes. Exhausting.

You’d do well to read this article: https://shrimpfeelings.substack.com/p/how-a-social-justice-echo-chamber

By admitting what you are admitting here, to these people you are already a terf. So free yourself from that fear. Because terf doesn’t mean trans exclusionary radical feminist when you see what it’s actually used for- it simply means “person who stepped out of line”, including simply in thought- and ESPECIALLY a woman. (More on that a bit later) I was called a terf simply for admitting biological reality and saying that I would have not been male and had issues like prostate cancer even if I transitioned. I was talking from my own experience too, that’s all it took.

They use your fear of “being radicalised” as a way to control you. It’s no different from religious witch-hunting. They constantly surveil what you’re even thinking. Your thoughts are yours!!! Feel free to think!

Autogynephiles have been statistically proven to have plenty of narcissism: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18431633/ they’re using all those strategies to instill guilt into you. Autogynephiles run the show in the trans community, so don’t blame yourself for falling to their trap. We all did. People constantly say that the trans community doesn’t have an established “leader”, so it can’t be classed as a cult, which, while correct on principle, doesn’t accurately reflect how it goes down: one narcissistic AGP runs the show in his own little social circle, manipulating women (even women with trans ID) and making sure they stay in line, victim card at the ready to enact violence on anyone who doesn’t kowtow to his every demand. Sometimes you’ll see there’s even MtF on MtF violence, really. I’ve seen the narc AGPs call even other MtFs TERFs. The term TERF means nothing, nothing except a tool for men to shut you up.

How are you supposed to tell apart any other violent man you have had encounters with as a female from these manipulative, abusive MtFs? How is he any different from all the other men who specifically encroach on lesbians, espousing homophobic vomit about how they haven’t tried the right dick yet? How is that and cotton ceiling rhetoric any different?

Calling a spade a spade isn’t hateful or radicalised- in fact, it’s comparatively sound and lukewarm when you see what they say that is “non radical”. These are people who believe everyone has an innate gendered spirit, if your body doesn’t match that, you should surgically modify it be it by legal or illegal means, that gender spirit dictates human sexuality, and people who don’t believe in it deserve rape and murder. In what way is that not radical, but saying “these people who are male, act like predatory man, oftentimes still look like men, dress with men’s sensibilities, and prey on lesbians like men, are men”?

Free yourself from fear of being a terf. To them, you already are. And no matter how much you grovel, that stigma will follow you around. That means you’re free from the cult, finally, for good! Now feel free to think and embrace it. Trust me, after hanging out in radical feminist tumblr for a while, I don’t really click with everything they have to say either, so I consider myself a feminist but not radical. You can arrive to positions you agree with and positions you disagree with. Think freely, even if we end up disagreeing.

It’s so weird how she can connect the obsession society has with hinging the worth of women on appearance and femininity but can’t extend that to understand that “if your breasts dont fit your self image, they’ve got to go” is actually prioritising your looks over your health, aka following patriarchal expectations to a T.

Sometimes it feels like when as an atheist you try to tell someone who’s very religious that you believe in none of it and they say you’re gonna go to hell- like it’s impossible for them to think outside of this framework; she truly can’t conceptualise a world where image does not matter at all, does not trump health/body integrity.

Weird as hell and I see it frequently

Unstable identity and not having idea of who you are is a hallmark of BPD, as far as I understand. Mentally ill are more drawn to transition anyway (neurodivergent or OCD or personality disorders) so it could be any number of things.

The concerning part is the spending a lot of time online in trans Reddits. There’s a lot of men there who have a fetish for grooming and convincing other men to transition, like part of the kink is as much to convince others to do it as much as doing it themselves. I don’t think there is any convincing your boyfriend at this point, usually by the time the internet echo chamber sinks in the only thing that breaks someone out of it is realising things on their own.

If you’re a desisted female and struggle with femininity still I don’t think you’re gonna have a good time dealing with the frankly horrific fetishisation they do. I’d say the minute he does something like steal your underwear or have you validate his identity in sexual scenarios you get out. I’ve read too many stories of trans widows who dealt with so much abusive bullshit out of fear or because they “wanted the best”. I think a lot of autogynephilia (which is what is usually being imparted over the internet) is frankly abusive to the female partner.

Whenever you see people describing gender as a cult this is why. You are considering not seeing someone who was male at birth, who was raised as a boy, who has a man’s ideas of what being a woman is and claims to be more woman than you despite lacking half of what makes a woman a woman according to your own words, “transphobic” and it fills you with fear because that was what you were told to fear most for ten years… what is hatred, really? Are you wishing for these people to die? To lose their rights? To not be able to get married? To lose their jobs? I don’t think so and I don’t think most people here do- we are acknowledging differences that become obvious once you strip the veneer of ideology- and that is enough to be smeared as a bigot, while their community does get to write that they wish all “terfs” die, get raped etc.

Many people here (me included) don’t consider there are any “real trans” people because even the real ones, like you, end up here. From my perspective it is a solution that you arrive to from many different problems, and it is very much a choice that you make that stems from hurt that you didn’t choose. You aren’t “born this way” with trans. It feels like you are because the social issues that cause most dysphoria are happening around you since you can remember, no one was raised in a vacuum.

I understand why you fear being bigoted because no one wants to be an asshole. But the truth is that transition means fighting the circumstances of your birth at every step; if being gnc is your nature being in confrontation of what society expects, transition means you fighting your nature because of what society expects. It’s a Sisyphean effort. There is nothing bigoted about pointing that out. If people want to undertake this Sisyphean effort that is their prerogative and they still deserve every basic human right- work, respect, life, freedom of choice, but they can’t expect everyone to play along. It’s very much like religious belief in that regard.

A lot of us were in your position for a long time. Don’t be afraid to think.

One of the worst hypocrisies of the trans movement is that they say misgendering is literal violence that kills people but they totally have it in them to lump themselves with you when you’re a GNC person (even in the simplest ways like… you were still wearing a pink outfit, what). I’m so sorry that happened, from firsthand experience I think we all know how exhausting that is. At the same time it would be very brave if you stood up to it when you have the fight in you, I think they feel intimidated by people who are simply themselves and don’t really share their insecurity and sometimes they need to be “put back in their place” to be honest

Honestly I’ve never seen any argument against transracialism that can’t be applied to transgenderism. I don’t think there is “true trans” or any legitimacy to it, there is simply a current of delusional thought (“I’m actually the opposite sex deep inside!”) caused by several different triggers like OCD, autistic misunderstanding of cultural rules, porn addiction, depression, etc, and then what varies is how much one commits to living by that thought, how far you take it. In that sense it operates much like a fringe religious belief. There was that Russian fringe group that also involved castration, and there are people willing to do all sorts of extreme things for a belief they hold sincerely.

TL;DR: none of it is real, be it trans-race sex age or species

You have autogynephilia lol. People in transgender subs are gonna tell you that yes you are and that it doesn’t exist. Personally I think it is a choice for you. Do you want to live your fetish full time with all the associated consequences? It’ll make some things difficult. For better or for worse if you’re attracted to women I’m gonna be honest and say that women are going to be majorly put off by you and they’ll act nice because of the very same part of your brain you say that is the “conscious self”or because they are terrified of you becoming aggro if they don’t play along. They think you’re weird too. AGP on full display is extremely off putting. We women can tell that you’re chasing a fetish and we are a prop to you. So ponder that.

AGP is considered to be an error of male heterosexuality. By that definition it’s not exactly “normal” but I also don’t think it has to be all consuming. I think other males with AGP can advise you better. There’s a guy called Phil Illy that talks about it. I know some detransed AGP males try to integrate it in a holistic way. I just had to chip in and tell you the truth about the female perspective so you factor it into your decision making.

Also the AGP saying that breasts are not the alpha and omega of existence after saying “I love boobs so much I grew a pair, all below the comment of a woman saying that the obsession with boobs is uncomfortable… the lack of self awareness these people have is near poetic in how funny it is. They are, at least, entertaining in their infuriating foolishness

What especially disturbed me about this specific statement on the ultimate sign of orgasm is that it almost feels like the surgeon is living a sexual fantasy through the patient???? Incredibly unethical perspective to start care from. A lot of things in the wpath files made me gasp aloud but this stuck in my mind… why are you writing wank fiction about a medical complication another patient is having?!